Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submitlogin

It's also too tiny to be representative of most of humanity


Switzerland has a population larger than all but ~11 US states.


It's got 9m people. The US has 30x the people and 250x the space. It's not comparable.


So why do we struggle to get the infrastructure to work in dense urban areas still? Or even just “not Wyoming”?

Switzerland and California have the same population density. Why can’t CA build high speed rail?


> Switzerland and California have the same population density. Why can’t CA build high speed rail?

Go find the last major Swiss route that was built, and compare its land acquisition difficulties to what happened with the California project. I'll rankly speculate that difference will be the meat of your answer.


Building infrastructure is a skill, a skill you have to constantly work on. If you do it enough and not once then you can learn to get good at it. There is a difference between a long term consistent execution of a infrastructure plan and a 'lets build high speed rail'.

I don't think rules and regulation in California are actually worse then in Switzerland.


For many reasons. Most of which have to do with government bureaucracy and incentives. HSR in California is thinly disguised jobs program with no real incentive or aim to actually build HSR.


Just for the information Switzerland neither does ;)


CA’s high speed rail isn’t high speed by European standards and it looks on the way to cancelation or significant curtailment. We can’t even manage what y’all would consider slow rail.


I don't know but Swiss isn't the only train system that works but also Spain, Italy, France. Poland has a growing better train system . The swiss system has it's advantages but it is also very expensive.

It might also worth it to check them out


The advantage of swiss system is fast transfers. Hsr would likely break this system (no point in arriving faster if your connection gets longer by 10-15min


I'm Swiss and I disagree, and so do many experts. First of all, arriving earlier is always good, because many people who get off on that stop still arrive earlier. Also, people who connect to a different mode of transit, such as Trams or S-Bahns very likely can catch an earlier connection.

In addition, if we built proper high speed lines, would could increase the frequency so much that it doesn't actually matter anymore.

So it doesn't actually break the system, it improves it.

Join us in advocating for this vision: https://swissrailvolution.ch/#goals


That's a very National focussed perspective and thus definitely a disadvantage of the Swiss train system ;)


I’ve ridden on several.

“Others do it even better and cheaper” makes the US failure to build and maintain infrastructure like this even sadder.


Switzerland has a few sections of barely-high-speed rail such as the Lötschberg Base Tunnel.


you going for the cherry-picked-but-functionally-meaningless statistic of the week award?


I'm going for the "Switzerland isn't a little village of 50 people, we can learn lessons from them just fine" award.

Every large country breaks things up into small chunks. No one says Vermont can't handle a school system just because it's small.


What is this supposed to imply? us states are also a poor representation of humanity. This matters a great deal: switzerland is notoriously ethnically homogenous and unable to get along with anyone. Life on easy mode!


It implies that Switzerland is by no means so tiny their lessons learned can't apply to other multi-million human sized regions.

Switzerland gets along with others just fine, to the point where Italy and France used to handle their air defense on the weekends (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Airlines_Flight_702).

> The Swiss Air Force did not respond because the incident occurred outside normal office hours; a Swiss Air Force spokesman stated: "Switzerland cannot intervene because its airbases are closed at night and on the weekend. It's a question of budget and staffing." Switzerland relies on neighboring countries to police its airspace outside of regular business hours; the French and Italian Air Forces have permission to escort suspicious flights into Swiss airspace, but do not have authority to shoot down an aircraft over Switzerland.


Try 500 mil and you'll see china is the only interesting sample.

If the swiss were able to get along with others, they wouldn't have such a reputation as racist nazis


China is, as the EU (450M), US (340M), and Switzerland are, broken into smaller subunits for local and regional government.


There's only two countries with over 500 million people and they're complete freak outliers.


My god, Switzerland is literally the least ethnically homogenous country on the continent (if we ignore tiny nations like Luxembourg, Lichtenstein and Malta), with a third of its population being foreign-born, which is percentage-wise double that of the US.


"unable to get along with anyone" is an interesting claim given that the last armed conflict in Switzerland was in 1847 (Sonderbund War).


I mean, it's hard to start wars when you don't get along with anyone and can't find a single ally.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Airlines_Flight_702

> Switzerland relies on neighboring countries to police its airspace outside of regular business hours; the French and Italian Air Forces have permission to escort suspicious flights into Swiss airspace, but do not have authority to shoot down an aircraft over Switzerland.

They were friendly enough with their neighbors to let their own Air Force have the nights and weekends off.

Passport control when I went from France to Switzerland was someone coming onto the train and yelling “anyone not allowed in Switzerland? No? Good!”

I think they’re fine.


Ethnically homogeneous, you guys really just spew nonsense without doing _any_research? Swiss here, you’re very, very wrong


Plenty big enough to be an example to be examined and perhaps emulated though.




Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: